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I don't know of any flash that can reliably operate on a non pure sine inverter. We tried to accomplish this in the now-history AB Max design and it brought up so many new problems we gave it up.

I don't want to make a new thread, sorry for not being able to understand, but why shouldn't it work with modified sine inverters? I am trying to build my own powerpacks (I live in Europe, and it's too late to order Vagabond, since you don't ship anymore), so I just asked about the inverters in some electrician forum, they said that it should work fine.

what would happen if i try to connect it? Would I blow my AB unit, or the inverter? what is the problem with the modified sine inverters?

thanks.

Luap wrote:

I don't know of any flash that can reliably operate on a non pure sine inverter. We tried to accomplish this in the now-history AB Max design and it brought up so many new problems we gave it up.

Just an FYI, speedotron brownlines will work off a stepped sine wave inverter. They're old tech though ;)

Author:	ROwen [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 1:54 pm ]
Post subject:	Einstein and Power Inverters
Do the Einsteins require a pure sine wave power inverter or will they work with the garden variety "modified sine wave" models? Thanks Roy

Author:	Technical Support [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:13 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
They require a pure sine wave inverter. TS

Author:	ROwen [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
Thank you.

Author:	Luap [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 12:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
I don't know of any flash that can reliably operate on a non pure sine inverter. We tried to accomplish this in the now-history AB Max design and it brought up so many new problems we gave it up.

Author:	kenyee [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 7:49 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
Luap wrote: I don't know of any flash that can reliably operate on a non pure sine inverter. We tried to accomplish this in the now-history AB Max design and it brought up so many new problems we gave it up. Just an FYI, speedotron brownlines will work off a stepped sine wave inverter. They're old tech though ;)

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Author:	Luap [ Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:17 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
This is probably correct. I believe Brownline uses and actual magnetic transformer (non voltage regulated) While virtually every modern studio flash I am aware of uses capacitor multiplier circuits. The multiplier circuits don't play well with the square waves produced by non sine wave inverters. I laugh when armchair engineers on many forums say "AB is cheap because they don't use transformers". As I said, to my knowledge no modern flash, regardless of price, uses power transformers. The weight and heat production make old style power transformers impractical.

Author:	shOo [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:24 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
I don't want to make a new thread, sorry for not being able to understand, but why shouldn't it work with modified sine inverters? I am trying to build my own powerpacks (I live in Europe, and it's too late to order Vagabond, since you don't ship anymore), so I just asked about the inverters in some electrician forum, they said that it should work fine. what would happen if i try to connect it? Would I blow my AB unit, or the inverter? what is the problem with the modified sine inverters? thanks.

Author:	Luap [ Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
shOo wrote: I don't want to make a new thread, sorry for not being able to understand, but why shouldn't it work with modified sine inverters? I am trying to build my own powerpacks (I live in Europe, and it's too late to order Vagabond, since you don't ship anymore), so I just asked about the inverters in some electrician forum, they said that it should work fine. what would happen if i try to connect it? Would I blow my AB unit, or the inverter? what is the problem with the modified sine inverters? thanks. Electricians don't always understand electronics - particularly capacitive voltage multipliers used in almost all studio flash units. They require a sine wave inverter. The ramifications of using non sine inverters can range from simple failure to work to possible damage to your light. Pure sine inverters are available in Europe from various sources and we are working to get distribution in Europe. We still ship to existing customers. I believe our Australian partner will sell to you, but shipping on a heavy Vagabond, plus your VAT and duties make it difficult. You can also use Tronix Explorer (innovatronix) - Google it.

Author:	shOo [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:13 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
thanks! I guess I'll have to save up and buy pure sine inverters, too bad I've already ordered 3 cheaper inverters... ahhh, i fall again for the "buy nice or buy twice"..

Author:	ClaudeJ1 [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Einstein and Power Inverters
kenyee wrote: Luap wrote: I don't know of any flash that can reliably operate on a non pure sine inverter. We tried to accomplish this in the now-history AB Max design and it brought up so many new problems we gave it up. Just an FYI, speedotron brownlines will work off a stepped sine wave inverter. They're old tech though ;) Yes, and unlike Luap's optoisolators, you get a large capacitance and relatively high voltage on the on the trigger, guaranteed to fry any modern camera unless you use a wireless trigger than can deal with the "old school." I think the old Novatrons from the 70's were that way also, as I recall.

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